THE MARAUDERS EPISODE IS HERE!! | Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (Tea Leaves S3 E 4+5)

In this episode, we discuss episodes four and five of season three, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. After Sirius Black's break in, the air in the castle in intense. Harry plays a quidditch match against Hufflepuff where he sees dementors and the Grimm. He gets the Marauder's map and goes to Hogsmeade where he learns the truth about Sirius. Episode five follows the Marauders at Hogwarts. We watch their relationships grow and develop, and how they go off into the world. We spend the last few minutes from Peter Pettigrew's point of view as he betrays James and Lily. Enjoy!

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·      1:35 Quick recap and the tense atmosphere at Hogwarts. After Sirius broke into Hogwarts, the air in the castle is tense. There’s no telling where Sirius could be now, and the illusion of Hogwarts’ safety is broken. Snape teaches DADA in Lupin’s absence, his first lesson being werewolves. How interesting…

·      18:07 Gryffindor vs. Hufflepuff. This is the most intense quidditch match to date. Harry and Cedric are battling for the snitch through the impossible storm and cold. Eventually, Harry sees the great Grimm appear in the clouds, and then the dementors flying through the air. He falls from his broom and the screen fades to black.

·      32:34 Harry recovers in the hospital wing. He slowly comes to with his team all around him. They bring him the remains of his Nimbus 2000. Lupin is his final visitor. Lupin offers Harry lessons to defend himself against dementors, who agrees. 

·      34:45 The Three Broomsticks. Harry gets the Marauder’s Map from Fred and George, and he immediately uses it to get into Hogsmeade. He overhears a conversation in the Three Broomsticks where he finds out that it was Sirius who betrayed his parents and got them killed. Harry returns to the castle furious, devastated, and confused. The episode ends with Hagrid telling the trio that Buckbeak has been set for trial. The last shot is Harry staring at the Map in his bed, reflecting on the awful day he has had.

·      38:38 We open episode five with James Potter walking through the Hogwarts grounds. The first half of this episode should be spent with James, Sirius, Lupin, Peter, Lily, and Snape. They have a complex series of relationships that make a huge difference for the story to come.

·      44:50 They all go off and live their happy lives. We see everyone go off and continue being great friends. However, the whispers of Voldemort are spreading, and soon the conflict arises. We’ll take a closer look at the first war in later seasons, but we will visit the wreckage of the Potter’s house yet again in this season. Instead of following Sirius afterward, we follow Peter and his guilt. We end this episode with Sirius and Peter’s confrontation from Peter’s POV.

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Welcome to the Potter Discussion. Welcome back to the Potter Discussion Discussing the Harry Potter books, films, TV show, and the wizard world fandom. I'm your host Oscar and this is episode 336. Thank you everybody for joining me today on this lovely day. Of course, it is my greatest pleasure to be recording with you all today. I am so glad to be back. We are hitting the ground running yet again. We have uh we are we are in the midst of season three. We are discussing Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, episodes four and five today. Uh we are going to make some pretty solid progress and get to some notable scenes in this season. So I am very excited. Uh there is some, we're finally gonna get some get some Quidditch, we're gonna get some more uh death omens and of course more Dementors. So I am so, so excited to discuss this episode with you today. If anything pops in your head while you're listening, whether it's a question or comments or topics or anything at all like that, uh feel free to reach out to thepoderdiscussion at gmail.com. That is thepodger discussion at genewell.com. I see all your messages, uh, even if I can't respond to them all, and it is really such a pleasure to hear from you. So don't be afraid to reach out. I am always excited to hear from listeners. But of course, as we learned last week, we have a lot to discuss in this episode. So without further ado, let's get into today's episode.

Quick recap and the tense atmosphere at Hogwarts

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As always, we will begin with a quick recap of our previous episode, just so we are in the right headspace, so we are in the right understanding for this episode. So last episode was episode uh 335, 335. We discussed episodes two and three. Uh, and this is that was that was a fun one, I will say. That was that was definitely a fun one. So we began with Harry and Dygon Alley. He was prancing around, he was, he was living life, and then Hermione and Ron got there, they went around and bought their books. Uh Crookshanks entered the scene with much much to Ron's dismay at night. Uh Harry goes down to the bar to get uh Ron's Rot Tonic, but he overhears Mr. and Mr. Weezy talking about Sirius Black and how Harry is his target. Harry is Harry is shocked and a little afraid and he doesn't know what to do. On the train platform, the way to Hogwarts, Mr. Weezy pulls on the side and says you can go looking for him, which confuses Harry even more. So we aren't really sure what's going on there, but on the way to Hogwarts, of course, we have the whole Dementor scene. We took a long time to really analyze that that scene with the Dementor, so I was I was really happy to do that. Uh that was a lot of fun. Then they arrived at Hogwarts, and the end of episode two was the Great Feast, uh, the the welcome feast in the in in the Great Hall. The episode three began with Divination. Uh and we went through a few classes in this episode. We saw Divination and then uh Transfiguration, then character magical creatures with the hippogriff and who who attacked Malfoy, of course it was his own fault. Then we moved to the Bogart, which is an important scene for that episode, uh, with Lupin, and uh Lupin jumped in front of Harry before he could face it, and Harry was a little confused about that. So when everyone went to Hogsmead, Harry uh went to Lupin and and asked him why, and of course, uh Harry said, you know, it's it's his greatest fear is not Lord Voldemort, as Lupin feared, but really it's it's the Dementor, which Lupin thought was very wise and also set the ground for uh a potential a uh potential working relationship between them, which of course we know will blossom soon. And then uh the episode ends with uh Sirius breaking into the Gryffindor dormitory, slashing Ron's curtains, and escaping without even a glance. So quite an exciting tale. I am really excited to get into this, and we are beginning episode four right now. The very first scene in episode four is the atmosphere in the castle. And I was I was thinking about this because uh it's it's so hard to open up an episode and like like after such a sequence like that, because Sirius Black is rampaging, I mean, wha this is how it seems. This is how it seems. After all the students are corralled into the into the great hall to sleep, it feels like Sirius Black is right around the corner. And I think it's really important. So so we open up with all the students sleeping in the Great Hall. I think that that's important, but I don't want to spend too long here. Uh, but there are a few things that I want to hit. In this scene in particular, I think what adds to the tension the best is when the staff is is talking, like in in like in like hushed voices in the corner there. They're they're discussing, like, no, no sign of him here, no sign of him there. The ghosts are helping, even Percy is trying to get involved, and of course, Snape is trying to cut him out. Um and this is also an important scene for some foreshadowing because as uh Snape and Dumbledore and kind of Percy are having a conversation, Snape is trying to suggest to Dumbledore that it is Lupin who is helping Sirius get in and out, and of course, Dumbledore is not convinced, uh, and for for a good reason. Of course, he knows Lupin too well and he knows Sirius too well, that's for sure. Though Sirius did have him fooled for a good while. So this is a this is a very tense scene, and even beyond the Great Hall, you know, as as everyone's uh sleeping here, I think it's important that we move beyond this and show that it's not just that night that is truly scary. I think as you know the story has gone on with Sirius just as a character, of course, as you know, they've been worried and they've been, you know, in the newspaper there was there were sightings and they were all all you know all that. Uh so there was definitely you know some tension in the air. But now that Sirius has like actually broken into the castle, now that the you know the feeling of Hogwarts is impenetrable, now that that that you know bubbles kind of burst, it's so much easier to really you know get a little more nervous here because you know now it what how it seems is Sirius could be anywhere, you know. And I think uh the previous scenes of like, oh, like there are different sightings here and there, and Hermione says, Oh, that's that's not too far from here. Like that's a little like, oh gosh, that's a little, you know, that's kind of scary. But then as these, you know, the sightings get closer and closer, and then as Sirius actually gets into the castle, the students suddenly don't have a safety net. You know, they can't say, oh, well, we're in Hogwarts, so it's probably fine. Like, and that doesn't that argument doesn't really work anymore because Sirius has has broken that already. So the tension is high, and I mentioned I want it to bleed through not only in the Great Hall scene, but beyond that. And I think that is the very important part of this. I was imagining seeing the halls and seeing the grounds, and it was almost like opening up um the last episode. I may have been oh yes, it was episode three we opened up on the fog that we uh, you know, kind of panned out and realized that it was a a uh crystal ball in the divination class. I'm kinda I kind of want to do something similar, but instead it's not uh a crystal ball, it is the actual grounds. You know, there's something very ominous about that. And I'm thinking of, you know, it's funny, I'm thinking of a the uh Deathly Hollows. Like this scene, I think it's in part two, maybe, when uh this is in the film. It's such a good shot when the uh castle we see is so I think it's so the the the sequence starts with we see a close-up of of some flowers, and then the slow the flowers slowly start to frost over and die, and we see that the the a a Dementor drifting past, and we pan out to see that the duh the Dementor is near Hogwarts, and there's a ring of Dementors around the school. That is the kind of vibe I want to go for, and that's a little bleak. You know, I I don't want to get there too early. I think, and this is actually uh an an interesting idea, it's easy to try to beat, you know, beat ourselves to the finish. That's that's kind of what I'm trying not to do here. Because with scenes like that in mind, if we're existing in this moment of the prisoner of Azkaban and we're saying the castle is dark and it's it's the most depressing we've ever seen, it naturally we would think, well, let's, you know, imagine the most bleak scene we possibly can and try to model it after that. That's not a bad philosophy, but here's the thing. If we get to the Deathly Hollow's level of bleakness now, we have nowhere else to go, you know? It's like, you know, we we are work we're building up, we're building up, and I think it's more important that we don't kind of overdo it now and leave the true scene, you know, like the the actual height uh of of the tension for the true battle, you know, until the very last book, because naturally that's how it's supposed to be. But I think what what we can do now is keep some of the charm, you know, keep some of the camaraderie. And I think that's honestly, maybe I'm I'm kind of thinking of this like even on the spot right now. I think maybe one of the reasons why the Death of Hollows tension is so high and why that feels so so dark and bleak is because the feeling of camaraderie is gone, you know. Uh it's like, you know, the uh the the the torture friendship, I guess you could you could you could call it. Now that Voldemort and the Death Eaters have such a strong hold on the castle, there's really nothing else for anyone else to do. You know, the the uh Gryffindors are for sure, you know, banded together, and of course they have allies like Ravenclaw and uh Hufflepuff and Gryffindor are kind of working together in a in a sense. But it's nothing like like the DA used to be, you know. The DA was was their fighting force, and when Umbridge was their greatest problem, it was so fun to to to do that because Umbridge, she was terrible, of course she was terrible. But she wasn't she just she she wasn't at the same level as Voldemort. Of course, not yet. She she gets there, for sure. But when she's the headmistress, when she's the uh the DADA teacher, it's not a hard thing at all for uh for the DA to kind of fight back. But as that grows, as the Deathly Hallows kind of becomes more of a problem as Voldemort grows in power, it's almost like it's impossible to fight back. And those kinds of scenes with the ring of Dementors around the castle, that's just that just shows like fighting is is almost impossible. Like there's it's it's not that there's no way of coming back, it's that there's no way of going forward. Like it seems like there's just no path forward. So all that to say, that is a very, very tough time. And that air has not quite seeped into the castle yet because it is still, you know, us versus them. In the uh Deathly Hollows, it is, you know, me and you versus everyone else, or maybe just me. But in the Prisoner of Asky band, it is, you know, the castle versus series. Of course, the Slytherins are still like, oh, there wasn't a wizard who went bad that didn't go to Slytherin. Of course, that you know that vibe is still present, but it's more of a it's more of a saying than a reality. As the story, you know, drenches on, uh trudges on, is what I meant to say, and more and more dead theaters appear, and more and more of the students join the dead theaters, that statement becomes even more true. But as of now, you know, the torch is still lit, it's still, you know, Dumbledore leading the charge, and Sirius Black is this, you know, he's he's more of a mystical figure than a true you know threat to the wizarding world. But if you ask me, that's gonna change even in this episode that would that with that that we're making right now, because I think there are there are some interesting discussions that Harry's gonna overhear that is gonna maybe change that. So I am hopeful that we will develop Sirius' storyline but not necessarily in a way that would totally derail it. So the air in the castle is tense. I was I was kind of going back and forth because I think it's you know, I was thinking, man, I really want to open this episode with silent kind of b-roll, silent shots of the castle and the grounds. I think that would set the tone really well. Because if if we kind of see the lake and it's you know kind of frosty, you know, it's not it's not winter quite yet, but I mean, still, it's still kind of frosty. I mean, like it's it's not snowing uh profusely. We will get there. I mean, it's maybe what November, maybe early December uh right now. Uh, but and you know, so the frost is in the air, and we kind of see the fog and the gloom and the moon, and it's it's just a little it's just a little gloomy for sure. And even even the corridors, you know, we see maybe a few students walking by, but people are people are very you know quiet because this is this is a this is a very uh scary time to be a student. So I really wanted to open on that, but also I gosh, I really want the great hall scene of everyone sleeping and uh Dumbledore and Snape talking. So I think that might be where we have to open. So we open there and then we quickly move on to the shots of the grounds, and I definitely want to see that. And the very next scene that I want out of that is Defense Against the Dark Arts because Lupin is gone. Lupin has taken sick leave, he has unfortunately um gone through an ordeal which we will not know until much later. And you know, coincidentally, for no reason at all, Snape has taken over the uh DADA and is teaching werewolves. So quite the reference here. It's uh it's kind of funny that I mean I remember my my first time reading through, I had no, I obviously had no idea what was what was going on. Uh no idea that Lupin was a werewolf. So I think that was that was pretty funny uh that Snape is uh teaching that. But Snape is having the time of his life, and I'm very interested to see how Papa SUD pulls this off because in the film Snape is always sullen and he always seems to hate every single word that is coming out of any mouth that is near him. Like it's just like he is just, you know, sullen, dark, death, blackness. But Papa SUD, I think, can kind of bring that to life a little bit. And this is where, you know, different interpretations of Snape I think could could really come in handy. I'm also thinking of um the full cast audiobooks uh that were uh released on Audible. The actor for Snape just doesn't quite, you know, I think I and I've I've I've heard this from a few people now. Uh the actor for Snape doesn't quite capture the the you know the era, you know, he doesn't quite capture the you know the true nature of uh Snape's character, and I definitely agree with that. But I think Pop SUD has such a great opportunity because Snape, you know, I I don't think it should be lost on us that Snape loves DADA, he loves teaching it. And I think it would be such a shame if he were to appear as you know the sullen, dark, you know, brooding character that that he always has. You know, if if Pop SUD lets you know a little bit of vigor out. Maybe, you know, he doesn't have to be laughing and smiling and you know giggling throughout the whole class. I think that would be a mistake. But maybe he's he he shows a little bit more energy, maybe he shows you know some some vigor for this uh subject. I think that would that would go a long way. So Snape, you know, is is teaching and he he clearly cares. I think that's important. He clearly cares about D ADA, and I mean he is, you know, definitely a a force to be reckoned with. And of course, we need, we absolutely need the turn to page 394. I think, I mean, where where would we be as a as a culture without that uh that that scene in in particular? So I am very hopeful that we will have that. I mean, Neville's gotta have his have his pages turned. So very hopeful for that. Uh and Lupin is teaching werewolves, and I think this is we don't have to spend a ton of time here because you know, what happens is I think the important part is that Hermione uh, you know, is is overlooked and Snape is in in his element, and that maybe could be part of Pop SUDU's, you know, show of enthusiasm is enthusiasm is that he overlooks Hermione. Hermione knows, you know, she knows what she's talking about, she has the answer, and she clearly is a very, you know, she's a she's a pretty she's a very smart. She clearly knows what's what's going on here, but Snape is refusing to look at her, and I think that is a show of his of his enthusiasm for the subject. He is truly in his element here, so that is important. But then we, you know, he shows some slideshows, he shows that. And I will say, I will say, I love the transition in the film in this scene. I think it's it's really funny. But we just we couldn't possibly do it. I mean, we just couldn't possibly do it again. That would be a little on the nose. I mean, of course, references to the film are wonderful, and I'm all for them, but this particular reference might not be exactly what we're looking for. I mean, it's it's okay, very fun, I love it, but it is just not quite the right air for right now. Because at this point in the film, it's not quite as tense as I think I would like it in the TV show. Of course, I mean, you know, obviously Sirius Black is on the loot. It's not like it's you know, everything's sunshine and rainbows, but seeing, I mean, Malfoy is in a sling and he's laughing and like he's so at ease. And I think being at ease is not exactly the kind of um atmosphere I want here. And of course, I I am alright with with Malfoy kind of not, you know, kind of joking, smiling, not really being, you know, t you know, terrified of uh Sirius Black. But everyone else, I mean, everyone else shouldn't be, you know, shouldn't be too too happy about it. So I'm hopeful for that. Uh for those who who can't quite uh recall, the transition uh to so we are transitioning to the Quidditch match. The transition in the film is Malfoy uh sends a I think it's a is it is it a crane? It's some kind of bird, I think, uh, to Harry. He he he draws a picture of Harry on his broom getting struck by lightning and it's and it's and it's moving, you know, it's like an animated drawing, which is pretty cool, actually. I mean I I am impressed with Malfoy. He does that, and then we see, you know, Harry, Harry getting, you know, the animation going, and then it kind of fades in to the Quidditch match, and we see people rushing by and we see the storm raging. So it's I will say it is a pretty fun transition. I mean, I am definitely a fan of those of those fun little things, but like I said, it's maybe a little on the nose for the film. But that is our next transition. So without further ado, let's move on.

Gryffindor vs. Hufflepuff

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So the Quidditch match is upon us. And I was I was just thinking, if we can't do that transition, I wouldn't be mad at a different one, you know, and an homage in the fact that it is not the same. So I could totally see like we are we're sitting in the classroom with Snape, you know, he's going he's going through the slideshow, and then we kind of pan over to the window, and we see the clouds starting to kind of rumble, and then we see like a flash of lightning, and in a second we're we're in the match. I think that that would be pretty cool. And it is a good consideration, actually, is do we immediately just jump right into the match or like liquid in the film, or do we kind of kick off. I don't know. I mean, honestly, I it's tough. It's tough here. I do like in the book their their their prematch, you know, because they're they're talking like they're saying it is stormy, like good luck, everyone. Like it is, it is impossible. But I will say it is a little more, I think, and the film captures this very well. It's a little more chaotic if Harry feels isolated. And if we have that bet pre-match talk where Oliver Wood is saying, like, guys, it is storming, it is storming, like, good luck, hang on to your brooms, and then they kick off, it it almost feels a little too uh like a little too easy. So I honestly wouldn't be too mad if we if we jump right in in into the game, or even like right into kickoff. Like, I mean, gosh, this is hard. I think, okay, official official ruling. We pan over to the window, we see the clouds gathering, we see the flash of lightning, and we we are about, you know, Madame Hooch is about to throw the quaffle, and then in a second she blows her whistle and throws a quaffle, and the match is on. I think that is a that's a good way of doing it because it's kind of a good in-between. I don't want to talk to Wood before, but I also don't want to just like be thrown right into it. So, Madame Hooch, it's I mean, first of all, it is pouring. It is so stormy. I mean, Harry could can barely hear the whistle, he's getting drenched, his hands, his arms, his robes are sticking to his skin already. You know, his glasses are getting fogged, his vision is is just it's impossible to see. And it is such, you know, the conditions are terrible, the mud is everywhere, he can feel the mud creeping up his boots. I mean, he like when he's when he's standing there, he's thinking there's no way the game will go smoothly in these conditions. Madam Hooch, again, he can barely hear her, he he can even barely see her through through this this this you know storm. She's holding the quaffle, she blows her whistle and throws it in the air. I mean, the wind is buffing it back and forth, and the the uh chasers can barely hold on to it. But Harry kicks off and the game is on. I mean, he's rushing through. And if it was cold and wet and muddy on the ground, it is even more so in the air. Immediately, his hands, you know, he's he's gripping his room as hard as he can, but his hands are freezing almost to the handle. He can barely hold on, he can barely see. It is just awful. I mean, the snitch, like, his like the snitch is this very last priority. His first priority is staying alive. Uh his his his nimbus, you know, it's fast. It's very fast, but it is not quite. Uh no broom could possibly weather the storm that's raging all around them. So it is intense. I mean, he's like, he's trying to look, but he he can barely see. I mean, like, it just the whole the whole situation is just pretty is is is terrible. And it is, you know, he could he doesn't even know how much time has passed. It could be an hour, it could be a minute, it could be ten seconds, whatever it is, suddenly uh, you know, wood is signaling him to come back down to the ground, uh, and they have called a timeout. I mean, it is just impossible to see out of uh, you know, this this this storm. And thank God Hermione earrush is over. This this is this is a very uh smart uh play from from Hermione. So thank you, Hermione. She's coming through again. She casts the the the the charm to make sure that Harry's goggles don't fog, and she also gives the gives the Charm to everyone else on the team. And it's a bit of a plottle, actually. It's strange because none of them else wear none of them wear wear glasses or anything. So I was kind of confused about that. But maybe, maybe we can we can give them all goggles. I mean, I I wouldn't be surprised if they were wearing goggles in this, uh, these these conditions. So uh perhaps they're all wearing goggles, they're all wearing their their their their robes, and Hermione gives them all give gives them all this this charm so they can see out of out of their uh you know the um their goggles of fog or anything. Unfortunately, she can't do anything about the cold or anything like that, but still, she uh has given them a fighting chance. So when Madame Hooch blows her whistle again for the teams to kick off, Harry has a renewed spirit, his hands are still freezing, but he can finally see. And that gives him confidence, but still, his hands are freezing. I mean, you know, his hands are some of the only uh exposed bits of spits of skin, but even his face, I mean, it seems it strangely seems even colder than before. I don't even know, you know, he doesn't he doesn't he can't quite imagine how that's possible, how anything could be colder than than than that. So they are zooming through the air, they are flying away, you know, every which way, and finally he catches just a glimmer, a glimmer through the rain. He sees a glimmer gold of the snitch, and he goes for it. He's thinking, gosh, I want to end this game, I want to get out of here. But uh is it Cedric? I think it's Cedric Diggory who is currently the seeker for uh Hufflepuff. Cedric also sees it and is also is is right on his tail, and they are they are going back and forth, and I think this is it should be clear that this is much more sportsman-like. I I'm thinking of like the very first Quidditch match where I hit with um Harry and that other Rando seeker, uh, who were kind of like bumping shoulders and stuff, like that was a little um, you know, it was a little kind of I mean, of course, they're they're very good sports, but it was just like I feel like Cedric wouldn't do that. Like, it's it it's about who can fly the best, who can maneuver the best, not who can hit the other one off their room. So anyway, side note just to set up Cedric for for for next book. But they are rushing towards the snitch, and and but it's they just they just can't hold on. They just can't hold on, and the snitch gets away. I think it's important that that they don't immediately get it, because there are some things that have to happen first, uh, first and foremost before Harry can get near near the snitch. So they they dispel, the snitch gets away, Harry doesn't know where he is, and he is he's pretty high up now. I think I don't want to lose that. I think it's a shame if we think that the Quidditch uh pitch is the you know R R of the boundaries. I mean, I don't think I'm I bet the snitch is in ch is, you know, is chanted not to go too far. I mean, because that would be that would be like ridiculous if he could literally go anywhere. But I like the idea of as Harry gets higher and higher and he kind of looks it down, like it's almost like the pitch is like a blur below. Like he realizes how high he is, and that should kind of strike a note of fear in in our hearts too, listening, uh or rather watching, because we realize how high he is, how dangerous this is, and the cold is just pressing inward, and he just doesn't know how he could possibly be warm ever again, you know. You see what I'm getting at here? So, so it's like the uh the tension is it is is definitely building here. But before we get to our special cloak friends, I do want to get to the grim. Because I was thinking, gosh, how do we do this? How do we see the grim? And honestly, this is one of the few times where I think the film actually did it better than the books. I really think so. And so, so, so here's why. I definitely want to unpack this because this is a very important point. In the book, so well, okay, let's back up. In this scene, Harry sees the grim. That's one of the big reasons why Harry falls off his broom. That's one of the big things that he remembers from this match, and that is a very important sticking point for his future development in with Sirius. I am not, I am absolutely not disputing that I for sure want to see the Grim in this scene. However, there are definitely some options of how to do it. And in my mind, I'm gonna go with the way the film did it. So the book saw uh literally Sirius as a dog sitting in the stands. That's what Harry saw. He saw a great black dog, his silhouette, you know, I mean, he was sitting in a pretty empty row, pretty high up, so he was isolated, and he was definitely like, you know, his silhouette was against the the the storm. So it's pretty, you know, it's it's it's imposing for sure. And I think it's it's it's especially you know scary because it's real. Like Harry's not making it up, he is seeing this black dog in the stands, and that is a big fright to him. So it's it's effective for sure. It's it's it's it's definitely effective. But I think the way the film did it is a lot better. So the film, the way um Alfonso Corone decided to do it was in the clouds. Harry sees in the fl in a flash of lightning a you know great dog appears in the clouds. Not literally, but like the shape uh appears in in the clouds. That is that is a lot better. That is a lot better. I think for two reasons. One, it is a lot more intimidating. I mean, of course, and I mean, because we were just talking about Harry should be super high up looking down at the stadium. If he sees a little speck and thinks, is that a dog? I don't think he's gonna be very, very scared at that. But if he looks up, and it's not like it's not like the dog is down, the dog is all around him, you know, in like uh like a flash, he sees, you know, this this this great shape in the sky, like that is a really scary. I mean, you know, have you ever like look like looked into the sky and seen huge clouds and been a little like, oh my, like, oh my gosh, those are those are really big. Could you imagine if that was an omen of death that you would been seeing for for a few months at that point? I would be pretty scared. And honestly, I wouldn't be uh disappointed if we saw, you know, an even more outlined uh version of of the grim than we did in the uh film. Because it was pretty, you know, pretty it wasn't, I mean, I'm not gonna say small, I'm sure it was huge, uh, you know, actually huge. But it was it was pretty brief. I would also say another important point on that note is I absolutely want uh this Grim to be you know very present, almost like staring him down. Like it it's it's almost impossible to escape. So the lightning flashes, and we see this like this like huge muzzle almost pointed at him, staring him down. And I think in my mind, the most important element of this scene is the fact that we aren't looking at Harry. We're like we are looking at the grim. I don't want to see, you know, Harry, uh, you know, look at Harry looking at that. I want to be Harry in that moment looking up at this horrifying shape. And I think we should do that in through his eyes, but also, you know, I I want it to be a spec. I want this to be put in perspective. I I it's funny, I was I was looking at um I saw some behind the scenes footage from the Lord of the Rings series, which I was saying, I'm also a huge fan of, and the uh cinematographer made an interesting note. He was saying, like, you know, showing size, like describing how big something is, is always second to showing how big something is. And he says, all you have to do is put something next to it. That's all you have to do. So that's what I want to do here. I want a nice faraway shot to see Harry as a kind of like a little speck up there, and then in front of him is this huge dog, you know, out, you know, kind of prowling in the storm. I think that is a very, very effective way of doing it. So I'm looking forward to that. I am very much looking forward to that. I think that is inescapable, that option. So that is for sure something that I am, I am looking forward to. So he sees the grim and he is frozen. I mean, he couldn't possibly look away. This grim is right in front of him. Uh, and that unfortunately is not the end of it because he sees the snitch again. He sees the snitch, and he and Cedric are back shoulder to shoulder. They are rushing through, and I want I want this to be like twisting and turning. I want I want the snitch to be darting back and forth. You know, it's not like the snitch, you know, is going in a straight line and then it's just whoever can fly the fastest. No, the snitch is going back and forth and weaving and dodging, and I think Harry and Cedric have to follow it doing that. But unfortunately, Harry is not alone because that cold is only intensifying. And I like how the I mean, again, this is a good moment. I think the films do this well. In the book, the Dementors appear on the pitch, like an army of them. And honestly, I think that could that could be pretty cool. Like it would be, you know, don't get me wrong, that's a pretty scary sight to see, but I don't think that's quite the right mood here. Because I want the first moment that we see a huge crowd of of Dementors to be at the lake at the very end. We are not quite there yet, so I don't want to see this like this army of dementors on the pitch. I like how the film kind of had them in the air because it shows that they can be this slow drifting, you know, you know, the like death slug, like like they are on the train, but they can also fly and really get after you if they want. So as Cedric and Harry are fighting the snitch, you know, a black blur, you know, shoots by him, and Harry thinks, oh my, like, what was that? Even though deep down he knows. And they just swirl and they get closer and closer, and and Harry just can't hold on. The the the memories start to start to break break free, and the uh the the the cold circles and his and his vision darkens, and just like that, he's falling towards the earth. And I think I I like how Dumbledore uh you know the final the final few few moments of this scene is you know Dumbledore and it's kind of fading to black and his voice kind of fading away. We hear like Arresto Momentum and the scene kind of ends. I I do like that. I think again it might be a little too close to the film, so maybe we can just see Harry falling. I would, I would, you know, I think a good middle ground for this is we see him falling and it just kind of fades as he's falling to earth. I think that that would be a good way of doing it. So this is intense. This is a really cool scene, and that is where we're gonna end uh this particular scene. But there is a fear, there are a few more things that we should get to in this uh in episode four. So let's move

Harry recovers in the hospital wing

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on. Harry is now in the hospital wing. He has to recover. He slowly, slowly wakes up and he sees his team all around him. They're all kind of making hushed comments. Uh, and this is, I mean, this is this is truly the quiet after the storm. Harry cannot believe what has happened. His his memory is fussy, it's a little fuzzy from his fall, but still he can remember just how awful it was. And the worst part, his broomstick, they bring the pile of of match sticks to him, and see that his Nimbus 2000 is destroyed. It is really too bad. Really, it's such a sad time uh that that that his broomstick is gone. And it to him, it feels like like the end of his Quidditch career almost. Because they lost the match, he lost his broomstick. I mean, this is his first loss on the Quidditch pitch, which, first of all, really, like, that seems like kind of kind of crazy. But also, that sucks. Like, his first time losing, it's really tough for him. So Harry's not happy at all. His team, it feels so bad for him, and he just he just wants to be left alone. But he has one more visitor, he has one more visitor, and that is Lupin. Uh Lupin comes into the hospital wing, and Harry is embarrassed to be seen in the state. He says, Lupin, I don't I don't want to like what like what's why why are you here? Lupin says, well, I think this is a uh this is a cool kind of little moment for him because this is where Lupin's gonna offer Harry lessons. I think it's important that it is Lupin who asks Harry to come to uh to to have lessons with him. So, Lupin says, Look, Harry, this is tough, you know, and clearly I see that you struggle uh with the Dementors the most. So I think it's only right that you learn how to defend yourself. So, uh Harry, uh Lupin says, Look, this term I am I am swamped, I couldn't possibly do it, but after Christmas in the new year, let's start lessons. Of course, Harry is ecstatic, he agrees, and it is set. So very good job, Harry.

The Three Broomsticks

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But we have another very important thing to get to, and this is kind of the the closing uh two things for this episode. And both of them happen kind of similarly to the uh films and the books, so I think we're lucky in that I'm not gonna have to truly analyze every single beat of this. The first is the Marauders map. It's time for Harry to get the Marauders map. This is a really, really cool moment. So uh it's the next Hogsmead weekend. Everyone is so excited, everyone's lining up, and before they go, Fred and George pull Harry aside and they say, Harry, you know, we have a little gift for you. We've learned all of its secrets. I think it's time that we pass on its knowledge to you, and they hand him an old bit of parchment. And he and Harry thinks, well, this is funny, this is funny. And, you know, but they say, No, no, no. And they show him how it works, they give him, they, they give him this, the, the, the words, the, the, the incantations, and Harry suddenly has a whole new way of looking at the castle, and suddenly he is so much uh happier, and he uses this, of course, to go to Hogsmead. And this is his first time at Hogsmead, and this should be really a very, you know, a very magical time, because we're we are all seeing Hogsmead for the first time. Uh, but what happens here is pretty important because this is where Harry hears his uh hears the discussion between Hagrid, uh, the minister, Flitwick and McGonagall, and Madame Rosemurta. They are all sitting in the three broomsticks, and this is where they discuss uh the whole Sirius Black Harry situation, and it is it is really uh a gut punch to Harry. Harry learns that it is Sirius who betrayed him, that Sirius betrayed his parents. They were best friends at school, and it is Sirius Black's fault that uh James and James and Lily uh are dead, and that Sirius is now uh on the hunt for revenge to finish the job. So Harry is naturally so distraught and confused. He does not know what is what is going on here, uh, and he returns he just he just he just is he he he returns to the castle in a in a mess. I mean he is just so devastated to hear that. Because I mean he's learning the truth about his about his his his parents' death, he's learning about whose fault it is. That is just awful to hear. So Harry is not happy to hear this out all. So that is that is the first thing that has to happen. And the second is the end of this episode. I want to end on a downer. Unfortunately, I think uh there's no better time to to do this. The trio go to Hagrid's hut at night, and Hagrid tells them that Buckbeak has been uh set for trial. I think this is this is an awful scene. Somehow even more awful than the three broomstick scene, because we knew that that was the case, but this is just I mean, this is just terrible to hear that Buckbeak has been sentenced, uh uh not sentenced, he's been his his trial has been set, that Hagrid has to go plead his case uh in London. It is just awful. I mean, we are all rooting for him, and I think this is such a downer to end, but unfortunately that's where we have to end it. The very last shot of this episode, I think, is going to be Harry sitting in his dormitory looking at the Marauders map, looking at all the little ink uh footprints, looking at all the names, and just thinking about what what a day he's had, all the death, all the news, all the terrible, terrible things. So that is where episode four ends. And let's move on.

We open episode five with James Potter walking through the Hogwarts grounds

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Alright, here we are in episode five. And let me tell ya, I've been planning this one for a long time. So you will be happy to know that we are not uh going to be following Harry in this episode. So this is this is gonna be something a little different, something that we've been talking about forever, that I think we even mentioned last episode too. So we are also opening up this episode with the Hogwarts grounds. But it's not the fog and the doom and the gloom, it's the sun, and we see the green trees, the grass and the lake. We see just just a whole uh beautiful scene. We see we see someone walking, we see someone walking, we don't know who they are, but man, man, will we? Will we know who they are? It is none other than James Potter walking through the Hogwarts grounds. He is a Hogwarts student, and this is the first shot of our Marauders episode. Boy, oh boy, am I excited for this one. Now, the good news is uh this is pretty self-explanatory. So, again, we are not gonna have to spend a ton of time really diving into it, but there are so many fun scenes here that I want to talk about that I am so excited to see on the screen. So, this these these first few minutes, honestly, like a good I would honestly say like 20 to 30 minutes of the this episode, I think should be spent at Hogwarts. Because that's really where their relationship is. This is really where their uh you know their their foundation is. We see, I think I wanna f I want to follow a few things. The first one is James and uh Sirius. This is a relationship that I want to build early on because and it's it's no coincidence that we just finished the episode where Harry learns about Sirius. I want to really pick this up and show just how close they are. So James and Sirius are are inseparable. They are the best of friends. They go everywhere, they do everything, they are they are almost the same person. I mean, they are such a dynamic duo. I think it is going to I mean I I I want to be watching it really thinking like, wow, like they are really good friends, and it is it should be like something of of of an inspiration to us watching just how good friends they are. So I am really excited to see that. And they, you know, they they they grow and they evolve and they go throughout their years, and eventually it becomes, you know, a little group that they have because Lupin gets added on and they and they have, you know, he's he's a good balance for their group. And then Peter's added on, and he he's also, you know, uh a good a good addition. So they are they are the marauders, you know. They are they are they have such camaraderie, they are so close, and I want to see them, you know, living their lives, going throughout uh the castle, going through their classes and all that. And also, I do want to see James being a horrible person to Snape. I think that is also important here because that's a a theme that we will see come back. Uh and I I honestly I don't think it should be the same memory that Snape that Harry saw during the Occlumency lesson because I would honestly be I wouldn't be surprised if Snape's memory is a little bit different, you know, if James is a little bit more of a bully. But I don't think there's any reason for James to be a saint here. I think he is definitely a bully and we should see that. But a focal point of this uh of of this first half of the episode is also Lily. And it is perhaps the most important relationship uh in this whole episode because the relationship between Lily and Snape and James, their triangle is going to be what defines a lot of the story to come. So that is something that I'm also hoping to explore. So we will see how that works out for us. I am super excited to see that. So this is again, this is I want this to be a good chunk of the episode. I want to spend a lot of time with them really diving into what it means to be a marauder, what it means to be a student at Hogwarts at this time, and really how their relationship evolved over time. I think that is a really exciting idea that we have here to explore. So that is, I mean, again, that is a good, solid chunk of this episode, and we really get to know each and every one of the marauders in this. Uh uh, and I think uh we should also, I just want to mention, I also want to see the prank, you know, the famous prank that uh Sirius plays. I think it should be uh, you know, this this should be I I wanna see this in detail. I want to see this in detail because this is important for this book. Not not, you know, we aren't planting a seed for the future, we are planting a seed for this book. So Sirius tells Snape, you know, do you wanna do you wanna see something crazy? Do you wanna learn something something something crazy? Go down the womping willow at a full moon. You'll see something pretty crazy. And of course Snape listens, but James got cold feet at the very last moment and pulls him back, but not before Snape got a got a glimpse at Lupin the werewolf. So it is A I I mean I'm looking forward to seeing this because this is this is also we talked about the theme of fear. I could only imagine seeing young Snape uh you know making his way down the passageway, listening to these horrible noises, and eventually catching a glimpse of this terrible sight before James pulls him back. So I am definitely looking forward to that scene for sure. Because also then once we get to the scene in the Shrieking Shack, uh, you know, in the present time with Lupin and Cyrus and Snape, we can really get uh a, you know, a very good moment there. So I am looking forward to seeing that prank for sure. So the Hogwarts days are a huge highlight. I am definitely looking forward to seeing those, but that is not the entirety of this episode. So let's move

They all go off and live their happy lives

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on. So that's the first chunk of this episode, but the second chunk is maybe, maybe my favorite uh uh uh you know part of an episode that I've done so far, because this is where it really gets to get cool. So Hogwarts ends. Hogwarts ends, and they all go their separate ways. I think for this I'm gonna say goodbye to Snape for now, because of course he plays an important part, but but I think his main role in you know this this whole Marauders uh timeline is with Lily. And once they kind of fall out and Lily and James become involved, Snape is just kind of a bitter side character, unfortunately. So we know that, and I think we will get a lot more of Snape, wink wink, in future seasons. So I'm not worried about him for the moment. But there are so many more things to explore, and this is the time that I want to see everyone just living their best life. Because they are, I mean, imagine this, imagine this. Like you you graduate from school with your very best friends, and you all go out and live your very best lives. Like, how fun is that? I think it's gonna be such a such a heartwarming thing to see Lily and James living so happily together, and of course, Sirius. Uh, I mean, well, maybe, you know, not not initially. Maybe they are, you know, they they they move back home and they find their jobs, and they, you know, they they're they're still dating, and then they then they move in and they get married, you know. We kind of that's that's another part of this this episode. So we can see, you know, the relationship of Lily and James. We can see it blossom. I think that's gonna be a really sweet thing to see. And I also want to track Sirius because Sirius does not live a very happy life, but his she is still the very best of friends with uh with James, and uh that's what uh you know Sirius was saying to Harry. I think it's an Order the Phoenix, you know, the Potters had him around all the time. And when Sirius eventually runs away from home, that's that's where he goes. He goes to the Potter's house. So James and Sirius are still as close as ever, and of course, I also want to see Lupin in here too. I think that it would be it would be a shame if we didn't get uh some some some of Lupin, and of course, of course, Peter Pettigrew is also in the mix here. So the marauders are still together, and eventually, you know, the the the whispers begin. The whispers about Voldemort, and this is where it gets a little dicey. Because just like we are experiencing in our present time, there are whispers of a great dark force building, and this is kind of as the first war is really getting going. Uh, and I don't want to track this too closely, because I think we're gonna get a lot of this again, wink wink, in future seasons of the first war specifically, but there are a few moments in particular that I want to go through. And they mostly revolve around Lily James, uh Sirius, and Peter. So I think at this point we can maybe kind of loop and can kind of fade out of this episode. And also Dumbledore, I will say. Dumbledore also plays a part in this. As uh Lily James and Harry are becoming more and more uh you know difficult here as as uh the whispers of you know the prophecy as Dumbledore is beginning to learn more that perhaps uh Voldemort will be coming after Harry. Voldemort, Asirius, and and James decide we have to do something. And Dumbledore goes to them and says, You must uh you know cast the Fidalius Charm. There must be a secret keeper, you must be hidden. It's almost like, you know, uh uh, you know, bathing in in the river sticks, you know. Uh he is becoming invincible with one Achilles heel, and that is kind of what's what's going on here. So I want to see the Fidalius Charm and work. I want to see Dumbledore protecting Lily James and then baby Harry. So we see we see this happen. But what we also see is uh the switch. The switch. And this, I I do think it is okay to spoil it now. Uh I don't think it is, you know, because truth be told, it's not like we are going into this with with with suspense. Because the moment of realization at the end, where Lupin realizes, oh, they switched, and Harry realizes that it is Peter Pettigrew who's truly at fault, that's a moment of realization for the characters, realistically, not for us. So I am okay exploring that option now because honestly, I think that that maybe is a net positive because we can begin to explore that now rather than later. So we see Sirius and Peter switch, and Peter is now the secret keeper. And this is kind of where I want this episode to go. So after they make that decision, we see the war. It's again not very much detail because we're gonna go into that later, maybe in you know, season five. And as this this whole thing goes on, it ends with the uh the uh Potter's wreckage. We see the wreckage of the Potter's house. And again, we are here again. This is not the first time we have been here this season. Uh, so it is important that we remember that. And I want to see the same shot of Sirius that we saw in the first episode of Sirius, you know, his back turned looking at the wreckage. We can only imagine how what what what he's feeling. I want to see that that that same shot. But instead of following Sirius like we did in the first episode, we followed Sirius throughout his his journey of running from the the uh you know magical law enforcement. I want to follow Peter. This is kind of the you know the the the edge on this episode. I want to follow Peter Pettigrew as he escapes, as he deals with the guilt. I want to see him hiding and running and making alliances and living life, I mean, literally and figuratively, as a rat. He is trying everything he can to escape. And just like we saw the the final confrontation between Sirius and Peter, we saw it from Sirius's perspective. Now I want to see it from Peter. And this is kind of where we end this episode. We end with their final meeting. Peter blows apart the street with the wand behind his back. He kills, I think it's is it 12 people? Uh it's I think it's either 12 people and uh including an aura or 12 people and an aura. So anyway, he kills a lot of people, and uh that is I think where we should end the episode. We see Sirius uh get get carted away, and we see Pettigrew swirl away into the sewers. So again, this is not the first time we've seen this, but this is from Peter's perspective. That's that's very important. We spend the last few minutes exclusively with Peter Pettigrew. So this is gonna be cool. I mean, like I said, I've been looking forward to this episode for so, so, so long, and finally we are here, and boy, that was really cool. That is the end of episode five. We are making some really good progress in this season. I am so, so, so happy uh to be here again. Thank you so much for joining me in this season. If you were listening to and you thought, man, I know someone who would love this this this series, do not be afraid to share this episode with someone you know. A group chat, a few words, whatever it is, it would go a long way for me for you to share this. Really, it would. And of course, if you have anything else that you want to let me know, don't be afraid to reach out to the poderdiscussion at gmail.com. That is the poderdiscussion at gmail.com. We are back next week. We are continuing this season. It is getting intense, let me tell you, the tension is high, so I am really looking forward to continuing the season. We have a few more episodes to go. Uh, and have a wonderful week, everyone. And as always, remember that happiness can be found even in the darkest of times if one only remembers to turn on the light. I will see you all later.